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Title: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: K38 on January 11, 2013, 11:29:02 AM
25,000 Glocks for the British Army..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260467/Browning-gets-bullet-Army-replaces-trusty-pistol-Glock-handgun-50-years.html


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: jcm2710 on January 11, 2013, 11:35:54 AM
I want to join the army!!!!!!

At least, I would get free target shooting  ;D

Brits willing to sell off any 2nd hand Brownings intra-EU?

Quote from article

"It is semi-automatic allowing a large number of rounds to be fired off quickly. Each magazine carries up to 33 9mm bullets, compared to 13 in the Browning"

I'd love to see the officers carrying a 33-round magazine... :o


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: macaw on January 11, 2013, 15:41:07 PM
JCM I have been noticing that you comment on everything and now also on the army guns i tought you just starting a little while ago shooting, and all of a sudden your an expert quick learner  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: Mosin on January 11, 2013, 16:35:27 PM
Hi-Power.. simply beautiful handguns.. Glock.. reliable.. but it's another plastic bowl for me  ;D


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: franchi on January 11, 2013, 19:05:28 PM
 I don't think they will be carrying 33 Round magazines but I think the glock is very good and accurate pistol altough the browning is also a nice handgun. I think the army made a good choice.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: K38 on January 11, 2013, 22:25:46 PM
JCM I have been noticing that you comment on everything and now also on the army guns i thought you just starting a little while ago shooting, and all of a sudden your an expert quick learner  ;D ;D ;D

Welcome to forum macaw ..You are certainly the expert of sarcasm on this forum and after only two posts..


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: kelinu on January 11, 2013, 22:34:07 PM
JCM I have been noticing that you comment on everything and now also on the army guns i tought you just starting a little while ago shooting, and all of a sudden your an expert quick learner  ;D ;D ;D
You on the other hand have only been registered since last December in this forum and already being an arse-hole with members you never met.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: K38 on January 11, 2013, 22:45:06 PM
i think  that JCM2710 he's an expert for everything ,even if you say something  about hunting he will tell you about the carnet de chasse as well ???

Terminator:: News Flash..Nobody on this forum is interested in what you think ..


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: macaw on January 11, 2013, 23:24:20 PM
Ok mr.british boy and kellinu but I don t  think that was meant fir you ;) but kellinu if U think umm being an arse hole you can kiss it :D and btw I didn t start arguing.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: K38 on January 11, 2013, 23:58:36 PM
Ok mr.british boy and kellinu but I don't think that was meant fir you ;) but kellinu if U think umm being an arse hole you can kiss it :D

Very sorry to ruffle your feathers macaw..
You really do seem to have a way with words though..Unfortunately your not even funny and your abrasive attitude is not appreciated by members on this forum..If you think that you can pick on one new member of this forum and make fun of him and the rest of us say nothing you have miscalculated .
So you like to call me "mr british boy" Grow up or leave the forum..


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: Quantumshot on January 12, 2013, 08:23:02 AM
It seems that Rule No 3. of this forum is being repeatedly ignored by recent members of this forum.
http://www.maltashootingsports.com/shootingtalk/index.php?topic=26.0

One is not expected to agree with every argument any member comments but it is surely not acceptable to try to ridicule other members (an attitude also referred to as Trolling).  Trying to kill off someone's genuine enthusiasm to this sport in this manner is very lame.  Jcm2710 and the others are judged by what they contribute and its easily accessible through the statistics on this forum.




Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: MSS Forum Admin on January 12, 2013, 08:47:40 AM
Bye bye macaw.

Next?

Admin


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: jcm2710 on January 12, 2013, 08:58:47 AM
Dunno if Mr. Macaw is able to read this, but wish to thank him for taking the time to read and comment...looks like I made some impact after all...pun intended.

No, I do not consider myself an expert, but yes, I try to make up for it by being a quick learner...even at my rather mature age...and with genuine enthusiasm.

To all the rest, thanks for your support, rest assured no offence has been taken, like I said, my age and maturity has taught me otherwise.

Happy shooting to all.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: jcm2710 on January 12, 2013, 09:04:59 AM
Yes Franchi, Glock has lived up to its reputation.  After speaking with members of the local police force, I found that they all had praise for the gun (albeit they won't use it as much as the the British Army...).

(My comment on the 33 round magazine was only meant to draw attention to the lack of attention to certain details when reporters are drawing up their articles).

From the web, it appears that no self-respecting gun collector should be without one, either.



Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: Caliber on January 12, 2013, 15:23:42 PM
Dunno if Mr. Macaw is able to read this, but wish to thank him for taking the time to read and comment...looks like I made some impact after all...pun intended.

No, I do not consider myself an expert, but yes, I try to make up for it by being a quick learner...even at my rather mature age...and with genuine enthusiasm.

To all the rest, thanks for your support, rest assured no offence has been taken, like I said, my age and maturity has taught me otherwise.

Happy shooting to all.

hi jcm, i would not worry. yes you are new to the forum, so what? we all were once.

i at least enjoy reading your contributions and we will always have your back.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: EURODOG on January 12, 2013, 16:00:10 PM
I want to join the army!!!!!!

At least, I would get free target shooting  ;D

Brits willing to sell off any 2nd hand Brownings intra-EU?

Quote from article

"It is semi-automatic allowing a large number of rounds to be fired off quickly. Each magazine carries up to 33 9mm bullets, compared to 13 in the Browning"

I'd love to see the officers carrying a 33-round magazine... :o


I got one though..........also number of 20 shot GP35 magazines. Just a note the British Army issue 9mm Browning GP35 Hi Power, if you have ever have shot one, is a pretty poor inaccurate piece of kit, which works well for the military as the pistol is not the soldiers primary weapon. If a soldier is down to using a pistol it's only because it's better than a stick! I had not heard that the Army was going to the Glock although I know they have been using the Sig Saur for some time, with the proposed reduction of the armed service no doubt it will be more affordable ................................


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: Mosin on January 12, 2013, 16:51:36 PM
Light, reliable , accurate.. and ugly.. which makes perfect for the military and people looking for a *work horse* :) But regarding the Hi-Power, I only heard good stories about it.. But can't put my head out for it, as I never shot one.. but it's sure one hell of a good looking gun  ;D But still.. what is more reliable than a wheel gun?!!  :P

Peace and safe shooting!  ;D


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: LongShanks on January 12, 2013, 18:38:05 PM
What do you think guys , shall we expect a influx of used Brownings on the market in the next couple of years ?  Hopefully they will sell all the brownings as surplus .. I guess they will all have been heavily used, but still.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: S&W in .38 on January 12, 2013, 19:27:35 PM
What do you think guys , shall we expect a influx of used Brownings on the market in the next couple of years ?  Hopefully they will sell all the brownings as surplus .. I guess they will all have been heavily used, but still.


Normally, police trade-ins represent a very good deal. Most of them can be a bit rough on the outside, especially if they have been carried in leather holsters and/or not wiped off after each shift, but in pristine condition on the inside. They're carried a lot but shot very little (luckily!).

A couple of years ago, there were lots and lots of Sig-Sauer P6 (9mm) pistols on the used market and most of them were in really great shape.

Given the choice, I'd prefer a police trade-in over a private sale.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: S&W in .38 on January 12, 2013, 19:32:48 PM
Light, reliable , accurate.. and ugly.. which makes perfect for the military and people looking for a *work horse* :) But regarding the Hi-Power, I only heard good stories about it.. But can't put my head out for it, as I never shot one.. but it's sure one hell of a good looking gun  ;D But still.. what is more reliable than a wheel gun?!!  :P

Peace and safe shooting!  ;D

.38 Specials for range sessions, .357 Magnums whilst on duty!  ;)

No semi-automatic can ever be so versatile.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: franchi on January 12, 2013, 19:53:37 PM
You can never go wrong with a revolver  ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: RB on January 12, 2013, 20:19:49 PM
What do you think guys , shall we expect a influx of used Brownings on the market in the next couple of years ?  Hopefully they will sell all the brownings as surplus .. I guess they will all have been heavily used, but still.


I think the UK Govt will simply have them recycled into anything that is not pointed, blunt, heavy, powerful, or even looks like any of the preceding.

Probably, buttons therefore.

RB


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: LongShanks on January 13, 2013, 10:13:02 AM
That's what came to my mind right after I posted it. I forgot how the UK looks at these things. What a pity.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: ammumford on January 13, 2013, 11:49:54 AM
I would caution against buying any surplus military hi-powers. I have shot loads of these in the services, and few could hit a barn door. I also had a civvi version, a Vigilante, and that was very accurate. They are good looking and reliable - but not double action.

The British Army has always regarded sidearms as personal protection weapons, given to Staff Officers and vehicle crew, who are unlikely to ever need to fire a shot in anger. My annual proficiency shoot consisted of loading and firing 10 rounds down the range, roughly in the same direction as the target. Actually hitting the target upgraded you to marksman!

I am sorry we did not take the opportunity to upgrade the calibre to .40, as the Americans are doing. Its probably something to do with the fact that the British Police use 9mm Glocks, and hey, if its good enough for them, then its fine for Afganistan.

Unless the standard of pistol training has improved since I was in, with the Glock safety system, I just hope we don't get too many people shooting themselves in the foot!


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: jcm2710 on January 13, 2013, 13:17:54 PM
Yep!  I had my first experience with a revolver this weekend, and boy, was it fun!
Quite impressed with accuracy too.

Heck, what I must have been missing!


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: jcm2710 on January 13, 2013, 13:46:37 PM
Thanks buddy!

JcM


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: Mosin on January 13, 2013, 16:43:43 PM
Amen to that!!  ;D Gotta love revolvers!! Wish we had some more brands of ammo .38 special here on the island..  ;) But I guess we are lucky enough that we can enjoy our sport!

Peace and safe shooting! :D


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: joe on January 14, 2013, 18:21:03 PM
JCM I have been noticing that you comment on everything and now also on the army guns i tought you just starting a little while ago shooting, and all of a sudden your an expert quick learner  ;D ;D ;D
You on the other hand have only been registered since last December in this forum and already being an arse-hole with members you never met.

Well i was just reading along and boy was i laughing with some of the comments, JCM don't worry about these comments, and kellinu i think that was a very rude gesture calling people names like that.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: LCD on January 15, 2013, 00:07:23 AM
Eh Glocks are Glocks but the BHP always be a classic. I don't know why they call the Browning inaccurate because they are no worse than a Glock with standard trigger. I like both my G17 and the MK111 (newer HP). I admit not every one works on the BHP, and one can order a trigger set for a Glock from Brownell's and drop it in, in 15 minutes. I guess there is one advantage - parts availability.   

IMO those cheap buggers at the MOD should have gone with the Sig226 instead of a lego gun.  ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: franchi on January 15, 2013, 11:42:59 AM
Excuse my ignorance LCD but are you saying that glocks are lego guns? because if that is the case I really think you have no idea about guns.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: kelinu on January 15, 2013, 12:10:05 PM
JCM I have been noticing that you comment on everything and now also on the army guns i tought you just starting a little while ago shooting, and all of a sudden your an expert quick learner  ;D ;D ;D
You on the other hand have only been registered since last December in this forum and already being an arse-hole with members you never met.
Well i was just reading along and boy was i laughing with some of the comments, JCM don't worry about these comments, and kellinu i think that was a very rude gesture calling people names like that.
Hello Joe, I do not know you but if it was you on the receiving end I would still call your harasser a butt aperture.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: joe on January 15, 2013, 12:24:44 PM
Anyway this wasnt for me so you do whatever you want  ;)


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: MSS Forum Admin on January 15, 2013, 15:37:55 PM
Excuse my ignorance LCD but are you saying that glocks are lego guns? because if that is the case I really think you have no idea about guns.

Dear Mr Franchi,

Expressing an opinion, a disagreement, is OK.

Telling people that they have no idea about guns is offensive. Apart from, in this case oh so wrong, LCD probably already knew all there was to know about guns before... well, lets not go there.

This is a public notice, be more respectful towards other members, or you will no longer be able to express your opinion on here.

Admin



Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: MSS Forum Admin on January 15, 2013, 15:41:35 PM
Anyway this wasnt for me so you do whatever you want  ;)

Joe, people use usernames possibly because they value their privacy. Whatever their reasons, if they wanted to use their full names they would have. I have edited your post, which may or may not have included Kelinu's name and surname. It is not acceptable to disclose members' full names on here when perhaps they do not wish for this to happen.

Admin


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: EURODOG on January 15, 2013, 17:20:33 PM
Getting back to the point, current UK policy is that surplus military and police firearms will not be offered to the civilian shooting communities, not withstanding any company or other individuals may have the appropriate end users certificate and documentation etc.......


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: LongShanks on January 15, 2013, 18:19:05 PM
The term , 'lego guns'  is not new , as much as the term 'Tupperware gun' is not either.

Even people who call these guns such, know they are good and reliable guns. More often than not, the comic reference to the Polymer parts of the Glock are the result of one's preference to chunky/heavy all steel guns that admittedly have a totally different feel to them.

Personally I am not real fond of the aesthetics of the Glock, and not particularly fond of the Polymer's feel. But I would rather carry a Glock if I were in Law enforcement or the Military. I would happily trust my life to it. Also, even though I do not own any polymer guns,  I have shot some makes and I really think they have some advantages too. Would not exclude owning a 'Lego gun' in the future . :)

Hope this helps to release some of the tension  ;D


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: Mosin on January 15, 2013, 18:36:21 PM
Longshanks : I fully agree!  ;D Glock is an ugly gun.. sorry guys, but that is the truth!! BUT... It would be my 1st choice for self defense or combat! Light, reliable and lots of rounds.. and plastic!! perfect!! but still.. ugly lol  ;D


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: franchi on January 15, 2013, 19:25:38 PM
I agree with longshanks and mosin they are ugly but they deifinatly aint "lego guns", I bet you can pick any pistol you want any caliber and at sometime it will malfunction and then take a glock and won't have any trouble with it. what im trying to say is yes glocks are very ugly guns, but you can trust you life with a glock any day of the week.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: LongShanks on January 15, 2013, 19:36:24 PM
AAActually ... what I really meant was that , no one needs to take it personally if Glocks are called Lego Guns.... Imma nsomma... min hawn u min hemm fthemna   ;)


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: EURODOG on January 16, 2013, 10:50:49 AM
The Glock is a good all rounder, I have one and shoot and carry one regularly when abroad but my view is that I could move my Glock 17 on anytime, and buy another, and indeed have done in the past. I feel it more of a tool, and in my view not a sport shooter, not withstanding Glock's product range. I have a CZ 75B which I think is a much better handgun but the Glock is very much a tool, no personality as such, now I have a number of other pistols I wouldn't dream of parting with........... but they are all over the place and you need to keep a skill level up, hence I always keep one and shoot it regularly.....


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: Mosin on January 16, 2013, 11:30:32 AM
So we all can come into one agreement.. Glock = Ugly but damn reliable..  ;D

Amen!!

Peace and safe shooting


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: kelinu on January 16, 2013, 17:32:11 PM
Do this comparison: What type of woman would you marry - a sexy and pretty lass that everyone wants to have a go with or an ordinary looking but faithful lady?
Itís very much the same thing with guns. But having said that, I still donít own a Glock.
I have this weakness of going after the better-looking stuff.  ;)


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: jcm2710 on January 16, 2013, 22:01:34 PM
I have this weakness of going after the better-looking stuff.  ;)


I prefer it when the better looking stuff comes after me!!

JcM


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: EURODOG on January 16, 2013, 23:46:46 PM
I have this weakness of going after the better-looking stuff.  ;)

 Dude...no you wouldn't they are all trouble............ :)


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: LCD on January 18, 2013, 19:44:28 PM
Eh I'm not offended, I've been called a lot worse  ;). We refer to polymer guns as lego or rubbermaid on this side because they are made of a non metallic material. I know that they are reliable and light but they are different from a metal gun like the Beretta 92, Sig 226 or some one mentioned the CZ which makes really ergonomic all metal guns. Those are really gorgeous and reliable. The design is based on the BHP and they refined the outer shape to fit better in shooters' hands.  I have nothing against polymers I have several G17,  Sig2022, Beretta PX4, HK USP, WaltherP99, etc. I love them but I find the workmanship on an all steel gun a work of art. This is like preference some like big boobs some like blondes, etc. At the end if they give you pleasure WGAF. 

I could only imagine the tough choices the MOD had to make, before they settled on the G17. I'm sure that reliability is one of the top priorities which I know that the Glock is very very reliable but I hope that they had the reliability priority higher than the price tag. I say this because I know the price tag on Glocks is very low compared to other handguns. Germany, Swiss, ours CF, US, Russia and many others use full metal handguns. I used an old BHP when I served. Now they get the 226's. IMO and IMO only, I find that the Glocks are very reliable easy to find parts and work on,  BUT not very ergonomic and I find it  to be more dangerous than other hand guns to use in stressful situations. Might be quicker to deploy but an army holster isnít an IPSC holster any how.   


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: Vincent on January 18, 2013, 20:01:26 PM
LCD has a point.
A police siderarm and manual of arms is generally for rapid use in unexpected scenarios.
Army role for a side arm is generally different; Its out of the holster when main weapon is down or outta ammo; Not much need for DA triggers etc.

Maybe I am missing something.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: EURODOG on January 18, 2013, 20:25:30 PM
LCD has a point.
A police siderarm and manual of arms is generally for rapid use in unexpected scenarios.
Army role for a side arm is generally different; Its out of the holster when main weapon is down or outta ammo; Not much need for DA triggers etc.

Maybe I am missing something.

As we all know the Glock was originally designed as a military pistol foremost, and found it's niche in US law enforcement. They are all that LCD mentioned , however my opinion is that they are are extremely easy to train personnel on and they shoot well (although personally the all shoot a little left hand low for me). I first saw them at the Police PAA shoot at Bisley many years ago, a Met Police team had them, threw me at first, they where the first series, green colour and plastic? Everyone agreed  'they would never catch on'....



Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: K38 on January 18, 2013, 21:52:59 PM


Maybe I am missing something.
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Glocks seem to have this thing:: You either love em or hate em..

The cold facts are :They are very accurate out of the box.. they weigh nothing..There reliability is second to none..They will shoot thousands upon thousands of round without breaking .They are very simple to use..Small hands, large hands,left,right hand is no problem..Ohh and the most important thing its the cheapest pistol on the list...

Now to your point Vincent..The British army was/is very conservative when it comes to pistol training so much so that Tommy is only allowed to Carry his Browning with an empty chamber so racking the slide will take an eternity when that fuzzy Wussy is trying to kill him with a mango..The risk of accidental discharges with one up the spout all the time is just fare to risky..

Now they have the Glock with its so called safe action, reading from this article it seems that they are confident enough to now Carry the Glock with one up the spout for a faster engagement thus saving the mango ..Time will tell unless they invest many more hours in training they will go back to Carry with an empty chamber..

The reason nobody thought they would not catch on is they were way ahead of every other design and beat everything that was around at the time ..When S&W actually copy your pistol 99% you know you have something special..
The other big advantage the Glock had with police forces was they were universally looking to replace there S&W mod 10s and upgrade to a high cap pistol and the Glock is the smoothest of transfers requiring the minimum of retraining and did I forget to say,,,, also the cheapest..


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: Vincent on January 19, 2013, 08:40:31 AM
Hmmm ......a ready to go pistol for an Army ?
Smells of changing codes of conduct and/or official misinformation.

Having said that, Glocks are practical enough and will do the job welll.
And naturally, who can deny the plus from logistic commonality between allies ?


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: Quantumshot on January 19, 2013, 08:59:51 AM

Having said that, Glocks are practical enough and will do the job welll.
And naturally, who can deny the plus from logistic commonality between allies ?

But with that reasoning then every army should only have AKs, which is not the case !
Worst still with the very manufacturer Izhmash having dumped and stopped the production of the weapon to start producing a different platform.

Lets admit it that many a times when it comes to contracts of this nature what counts is not what the field soldier wants but what the top brass manage to negotiate.






Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: EURODOG on January 19, 2013, 14:00:09 PM


Maybe I am missing something.

Glocks seem to have this thing:: You either love em or hate em..

The cold facts are :They are very accurate out of the box.. they weigh nothing..There reliability is second to none..They will shoot thousands upon thousands of round without breaking .They are very simple to use..Small hands, large hands,left,right hand is no problem..Ohh and the most important thing its the cheapest pistol on the list...

Now to your point Vincent..The British army was/is very conservative when it comes to pistol training so much so that Tommy is only allowed to Carry his Browning with an empty chamber so racking the slide will take an eternity when that fuzzy Wussy is trying to kill him with a mango..The risk of accidental discharges with one up the spout all the time is just fare to risky..

Now they have the Glock with its so called safe action, reading from this article it seems that they are confident enough to now Carry the Glock with one up the spout for a faster engagement thus saving the mango ..Time will tell unless they invest many more hours in training they will go back to Carry with an empty chamber..

The reason nobody thought they would not catch on is they were way ahead of every other design and beat everything that was around at the time ..When S&W actually copy your pistol 99% you know you have something special..
The other big advantage the Glock had with police forces was they were universally looking to replace there S&W mod 10s and upgrade to a high cap pistol and the Glock is the smoothest of transfers requiring the minimum of retraining and did I forget to say,,,, also the cheapest..

[/quote]

Just a couple of points, first of all you are right, together all out allies the policy for the British Army is to carry with an empty chamber, and this will not change.
Law enforcement of reasons which have been mentioned have different priorities, as a police officers pimery firearm. I was training in Nashville in the early 90's when the Metro Department went over to the Glock from S&W revolvers and it was a little harder for veteran officers to transition onto the Glock. It's a good rugged workhorse not overly more accurate that anything else, and at under £290 a unit the Army should do well with them....................



Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: kelinu on January 19, 2013, 15:14:04 PM
I have this weakness of going after the better-looking stuff.  ;)


I prefer it when the better looking stuff comes after me!!

JcM
Dream on mate....dream on!  ;D


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: jcm2710 on January 20, 2013, 09:01:19 AM
I have this weakness of going after the better-looking stuff.  ;)


I prefer it when the better looking stuff comes after me!!

JcM
Dream on mate....dream on!  ;D


 ;D ;D




Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: Vincent on January 20, 2013, 10:39:22 AM
....hmmmmm again.
Its likely that re. glock adoption, the british just went with the current; And thats not necessarily bad.

The issue of "one up the spout readiness" military suitability remains a bit foggy.

Maybe military scenario expectations have changed considerably:
---More part domestic part interventional conflicts are being seen as the future of most military confrontations.

This would indicate that the conventional idea of the pistol being either a mere dress appendage, or to be readied just before battle and holstered is being replaced by " we can be rumbled in our sleep".

Hey, maybe military intelligence is truly an oxymoron and nobody ever even thought about this. Very unlikely.

At the end of the day, Glocks are good pistols, they are cheap, our potential allies have them, so why not us.


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: K38 on January 20, 2013, 13:51:57 PM
Looks like  the British army did not conduct  an evaluation test on several different makes of pistol ,otherwise they would have made mention of that fact when the adoption of the Glock was announced .It was pretty much a no brainer that the Glock is the proffered choice..
Euro Dog we are in agreement :: There is a world of difference between Police and Military use..The British army is developing along the lines of more specialized units not necessarily SAS level, but with more training for specific tasks such as house/ compound clearing then they will get the extra training and carry the pistol with a round chambered..The rest as you say empty chamber..
Regarding the Glock as the perfect police pistol I have reservations :::As you Know Eurodog police officers are shot with there own pistols and the Glock "safe action" only relates to drop testing and the long trigger pull puts it on a level with revolvers..Only with the development of :Retention Holsters"with sophisticated locking systems (Malta take note)  makes the Glock Safe to Carry exposed..The danger that an officer faces when he has his pistol drawn and ends up rolling around on the ground with a bad guy..The 60 year old High Power would still be my choice in that scenario..Reason?????? and I do not know why Glock has not used it..The HP has this very simple safety that if required you hit the mag release the mag drops and the pistol will not fire..With the Glock you will literally have to fight for your life..Even the 1911 with its thumb safety is better and the best..

The Browning Hi power:: This pistol designed by John M Browning has stood the test of time and served the British Army and many others around the world for an incredible length of time .It is interesting to note that the original design was for a single stack magazine and that the design was revised by FN to a high capacity mag after Browning's passing..This one change alone guaranteed its longevity..
Looking at the two pistols side by side provides an excellent window on pistol development over the past 60 years..From all steel with a considerable amount of machining and individual hand fitting to the modern day injection moulded plastic combined with steel , automated machine production, meteorological development and with all the parts 100% interchangeable .. From a usage of 4000 rounds it is now increased 10 fold plus..

Ohh and as we are on the subject of revealing our female hunting techniques :::: I only chase pretty girls, but nowadays most of them can out run me !!!!!!!


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: xanthus on January 20, 2013, 20:38:09 PM
I have to confess that for some reason I just cannot stand the sight of a 'GLOCK Pistol' Its' reliable, good etc.. but I just cant' stand the sight of it.
Are there any guns that you just do not stand, or its just me ?? :-\


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: K38 on January 20, 2013, 21:23:49 PM
I have to confess that for some reason I just cannot stand the sight of a 'GLOCK Pistol' Its' reliable, good etc.. but I just cant' stand the sight of it.
Are there any guns that you just do not stand, or its just me ?? :-\

I know what you mean xanthus had a girlfriend like that once...

Like I said Glocks, you love em or hate em..Most of the guns I hate are the ones that wont hit the middle of the target so that's a long list..


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: RB on January 20, 2013, 21:29:16 PM
Glocks are tools, to me. Can't say good or bad, but no more appealing than a cordless drill. They work, they are used, then they are put back in the box, and that's it. Nothing wrong with that of course but I don't get emotionally attached to any spanner or screwdriver.

Actually I also think the grip angle is weird and if I ever had to shoot a Glock instinctively in a panic situation I think everyone would be safe except perhaps the pigeons in the sky.

RB


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: K38 on January 20, 2013, 21:52:05 PM
Glocks are tools, to me. Can't say good or bad, but no more appealing than a cordless drill. They work, they are used, then they are put back in the box, and that's it. Nothing wrong with that of course but I don't get emotionally attached to any spanner or screwdriver.

Actually I also think the grip angle is weird and if I ever had to shoot a Glock instinctively in a panic situation I think everyone would be safe except perhaps the pigeons in the sky.

RB
That all sounds pretty normal RB..Next time you get emotionally attached to an inanimate object be sure to share it with us all...


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Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: S&W in .38 on January 20, 2013, 21:58:16 PM
I do however get emotionally attached to this one K38.  :)

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/larvatus/3533539/53910/53910_original.jpg)


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: RB on January 20, 2013, 22:04:23 PM

That all sounds pretty normal RB..Next time you get emotionally attached to an inanimate object be sure to share it with us all...


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It's in my garage K38...  ;) but I'm not sharing  :P

RB


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: EURODOG on January 21, 2013, 13:17:04 PM
I do however get emotionally attached to this one K38.  :)

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/larvatus/3533539/53910/53910_original.jpg)

Now your talking........not even in the same ball park................ :-*


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: S&W in .38 on January 22, 2013, 08:50:44 AM
Glock, which Glock?


Title: Re: GLOCK REPLACES BROWNING AFTER 50 YEARS..
Post by: RB on January 22, 2013, 13:10:22 PM
Glock, which Glock?

Aint no Glock, that  ;)

http://www.armoryblog.com/firearms/hand-guns/glock-1911/

http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=20180 (check the date!)

RB