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Title: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 17, 2008, 13:13:57 PM
Tuner  -   During the last 30 years, I have ‘tuned’ airguns of all types (spring, CO2, PCP and others too)   My definition of tuning is not just making a gun more powerful, but getting hold of a mass produced item, often not even lubricated internally with the special lubricants so important for preservation and performance with less effort, and giving it that special personal touch turning it into a Custom Special ! 
My teachers were Gerald Cardew, an airgun engineer and developer and a name that should be  familiar with all self respecting airgunners, young and old, Vemon Airgun Tuners, Webley, and even encouragement and praise by Air Arms when their products were originally imported in Malta at San Gwann.  I have letters of recommendation and praise from the above!
Moreover, study and research and experimentation (on MY airrifles!), plus the love of all airguns, even up to this day, always made me ‘touch with great respect’ the internal parts of any airgun, being a LM50 popgun to a LM1000 work of art.
I have made so many friends practicing my hobby.   They came year after year, bringing along their friends also.  Of course my success in this sector earned me some enemies as well, but this is a natural trait of mankind – it also has a name!!!!!
I take the opportunity, to salute my many friends and wish them happy shooting- and please, those of you whose airguns I ruined, tell me how and what I messed up!   I would still like to learn, even though today, I have given up the Tuning hobby completely!!!

Danny Gatt



Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Quantumshot on May 17, 2008, 13:46:04 PM
Danny
Whatever the rumours our support and respect is always there.
Let those who make rumours substantiate them.
Eric


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 17, 2008, 20:14:10 PM
Thank you Eric.   You also have my respect and admiration because you are a gentleman and a true lover of airguns - may the sport prosper on our sunlit shores!!!!


Danny Gatt


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 18, 2008, 08:20:47 AM
I think that this Forum provides me with a base where I can start a programme regarding airgun maintnance, simple first line tuning, and scope setting - especially finding the apex of the trajectory parabola where a scope should be set.   During many  converstaions with airgun shooters, I have found out, that scope setting is a subject much misunderstood, and even mysterious in its function!!!    It will be my pleasure to help, in simple language, to sort out the 'mysteries' of scope setting the proper way!!!!
Danny Gatt


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: MSS Forum Admin on May 19, 2008, 10:36:03 AM
I am sure that any articles you contribute to the forum will be of interest to all visitors.

The same of course applies to all who are willing to share their knowledge.

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Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: panzer on May 19, 2008, 14:03:54 PM
Danny ,
it is unbelievable what you hear sometimes , but that is life , who has the facts let him prove them.
i can tell you as the agent for airarms apart from other various air guns i used to import from 1995 up to 2002 through titu san gwann ,i have always used and recommended danny as dr airgun , and all the years i was i business i have never had 1 single complain from many of the hundreds of clients i had and used to send to dan , danny and myself used to work well with bill saunders at air arms and our feed back was always noted and used for futher development and we were always the first  to find teething problems that they sometimes had . i have know danny for years and yes he is dr air gun , i have great respect for him as he is one of the most professinal and dedicate tuners we have on this little island . i myself would never leave any of my airguns in any ones hands except danny's .
dan keep up the good work and well done .
godfrey pisani
ex-titu san gwann.


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: 1shot1kill on May 19, 2008, 14:36:39 PM
Judging from his past threads the rumours came from a novice , I would take them with a pinch or two of salt.
Danny you have our admiration, you are definitely a major contributor to the hobby of air gun shooting in Malta.


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 19, 2008, 19:39:42 PM
I thank you for your support Panzer - always glad to be of help to you!!   Danny Gatt :)


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 19, 2008, 19:45:49 PM
Thank you 1shot1kill - Keep it up! Danny


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 19, 2008, 20:34:11 PM
Scope Setting 

Although Scope setting seems easy,this is a very deceptive  subject!!!!!  Lets begin at the beginning!
While the scope is still in your hands, you can do one of the most important adjustments – focus scope for your particular eyesight.
Let us say you have a 3.5 x 10 x 50 field scope.   
Wind up the magnification to 10 – and either unlock the focus eyepiece (at the rear) or if quick focus, just turn, right and left -slowly- till the cross hairs are seen most clearly and dark against a plain, light background.   When this is established, just lock the setting ring of the eyepiece  and never touch it again!!
Always use GOOD scope mounts! This is so important.   The scope is to be mounted as centrally as possible in the mount(s), and great care has to be taken to adjust the cross hairs so that the horizontal line is parallel with the ‘imaginary’ horizontal line of a cross in the centre of the bore!!! (in plain words, parallel with flat ground!)
The distance of the rear eyepiece from the eye, is critical also.   It has to be placed so that you can see a full round circle as wide as the eyepiece permits!
Never-never-screw down hard the screws of the mount on a scope-you will mark the scope body badly.   On a PCP, just a small amout of pressure is needed.   On a hard recoiling springer, a little more pressure is needed and a spot of contact adhesive in the mounts .
Next time. We will treat trajectory and power of the gun!  Remember, a pellet travels like a banana!!!  It goes up, flattens, and begins to go down as gravity calls it back!!!  It curves downwards!.   




Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: panzer on May 19, 2008, 21:10:21 PM
cheers and hope you get well soon  :)
THE TRUTH NEVER HURTS


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Sti-Edge on May 19, 2008, 23:06:17 PM
Useful hints for my carbine scope! Thanks

STIEDGE


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 21, 2008, 08:40:27 AM
Tuner - When a scope is set with a particular pellet, never change the pellet or the whole procedure will have to be repeated all over again!!!   Always use the BEST pellets you can find - after all, YOU, your GUN, your SCOPE will just remain still on the shooting station - its only that small piece of lead - the pellet - that travels the distance to seek out that 5 to 10 mm spot you aimed at!!!!!!!    Danny Gatt


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 21, 2008, 20:40:23 PM
Scope Setting (continued) - Having fixed the scope to the gun, place a target 25 mtrs away, and fire about 5 shots -on bench rest - the pellets should group somewhere! - maybe high or low - to the right or left of the target.
If the pellets are hitting a spot left of the target spot, turn windeage setting to RIGHT - slowly - one shot at a time and setting again, till the pellets are striking a spot in line with the bullseye.   If pellets are striking low, now turn the elevation setting HIGH - slowly - one shot at a time - till the pellets begin to group around the target spot!   If the distance from the individual pellet holes is more than 10mm at 25 mtrs, either the pellets are no good, or they do not perform in your barrel, or you are messing up somewhere!
Now you have the first provisional setting!    You will now have to find the 'highest' spot in the 'banana' (curve) of the pellet flight!
We are presuming you are shooting a 12 ft/lbs .177 airgun with a medium weight pellet.
The highest part of the curve, might be nearer than 25mtrs, or a little further.
There are many ways of finding out, either by firing various shots at various distances, which may take a long time, or try a simple (though it seems complicated) manner.
On a windless day, stretch a piece of cord 50 mtrs on two poles stuck in the ground - flat ground!
Hang marked (spot in middle) cardboard sheets every 10 mtrs to the stretched cord, move another 10 mtrs behind the first cardboard, aim and shoot at the marked spot, taking care that your shot is in line with the cord.
Walk the distance and see what happened to the marked cardboards - the pellet hole will climb and climb, then start going down.
Mark the distance, where the pellet starts going down - maybe 30 mtrs or more or less.
Now fix a target at the exact distance where the pellet in YOUR rifle has flattened its flight - BEFORE it starts falling down.    This is the distance, that you should now set your scope to hit the 10 mm spot.   Any NEARER to the target, and you will require 'hold over'  -  any FURTHER from the target, and you again require 'holdover'.
NEARER, the pellet is still raising   -   FURTHER, the pellet is falling!!!!!!
More on this next time! 
Danny Gatt


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: BLACK EAGLE on May 23, 2008, 18:48:42 PM
Very interesting suggestions.

Thank you Danny.


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 27, 2008, 20:40:11 PM
Tuning - This can be a strange word indeed! -  Tuning began in earnest with the spring air rifle.   There is so much to be done to a factory mass produced gun.   This is because, the spring air rifle, is really just a machine that generates compression with a barrel at the end to project a pellet down range as accurately as possible!!!  It can be a break barrel, an underlever, a side lever, a telescopic arrangement, like many early air pistols, and more.
The factory spring will have to be changed. (Not because the factory cannot fit these springs at the time of manufacture, but they are  concerned about the final price of the product !!!!!)   You can choose a strong spring, or a 12 ft/lb spring.   The 'strong' (stiffer) spring will either have wider spaced coils (longer), thicker wire, and less coils, or smaller diameter coils.   But the most important thing is that it is made from Swedish Silicon Chrome Steel, shot peened and stress relieved. The compressed length must not be longer than the standard spring, or the gun will not cock.   The best springs also have a baked on Moly coating so no lubrication whatsoever is needed!!!   These springs can be left cocked for weeks and never loose power!  They will cost about 5 times more than a standard factory spring.
This is just the begining - the piston seal will have to be changed - the transfer port 'air flowed' and reamed to an exact formula worked out by experts in the subject.   Most guns will have a different diameter transfer port, depending on many things! - the cylinder will have to be polished and honed to a mirror finish.
The object is to have a gun requiring less effort to cock and  producing more power!!!!  -  seems impossible, but it is not!  -  This is a taste!!!! more will follow for those interested in the subject.    But be warned, no one without any engineering background should ever tamper with an airgun - spring or PCP!!!!  - Danny Gatt


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 28, 2008, 20:29:45 PM
Tuner - Have you ever heard the words - piston bounce - ?     I am certain, that most airgunners are not familiar with this 'mystic' happining in the cylinder of their guns every time a shot is fired!
This is the most  important matter that has to be tuned to a fine degree - even to a perfect degree - if possible!
Fire a spring gun, and if there is felt vibration, there is a 90% chance that the piston head is 'crashing' into the end of the cylinder!!!! -  a sure way to uncomfortable shooting and to the swift destruction of the airgun!   The screws holding it to the stock, keep comming loose - the whole thing is comming apart!!!
If, on the other hand, when the gun is fired, no vibration at all is felt, but a 'slight' recoil (experience will help to recognise this behaviour) is detected, then there is a 90% chance that you have 'piston bounce' !   -   all the effort required in cocking strong springs plus all other extras fitted,will be of no avail, as the 'peak compression' is being wasted!!!!!!!!!     Dany Gatt  -   dannygat@maltanet.net


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: RB on May 29, 2008, 08:45:58 AM
IMHO the only way that a piston would crash into the end of the cylinder, would be if there is no pellet in the breech, else the breech seals or the piston seals are very far gone. The vibration that is felt with most standard springers is generally spring vibration, which is very easily cured with a tighter spring guide, even if at a very slight loss of power.

Piston bounce - the Cardews discovered that this always happens as long as there is a pellet in the breech. This of course does not refer to the very violent and great rearwards movement that happens when a springer diesels - i.e. when there is too much lube ahead of the piston and much of this burns - but to the slight rearwards motion of the piston that occurs as the piston almost reaches the cylinder face. They discovered that when a springer is fired, the piston very obviously initially shoots forward, then at a point very close to the cylinder face because the temperature is elevated and a very tiny amount of lube burns, the air ahead of the piston reaches pressures high enough to completely stop the piston and push it backwards a fraction of an inch. Somewhere around that time of course the pellet starts to move, thus the pressure is reduced, and the piston comes to rest at the cylinder face.

They did their utmost to prevent the rearwards movement by designing a "non-return" rig so the piston could only move forwards, but quickly discovered that it was in practical terms impossible for their already too heavy setup was actually being damaged.

In practical terms the easiest way to tune for efficency in this respect is simply to experiment with different pellets, and possibly consider the design of the breech. The main concern here being how much resistance the pellet offers to initial travel.

If the pellet is sized and is a loose fit, this will depart before peak pressure is reached, and power is lost. If it is too tight, the piston will bounce more, and again power is lost. However the bias is more towards a tight pellet than a loose one, which is why sizing, rather than increasing power as the vendors of sizers would have us imagine, is a bad idea with a springer.

RB


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: dvd on May 29, 2008, 09:59:01 AM
Hi RB, Tuner,
I agree with what you said.
The whole setup is so finely balanced that when one comes close to nearly eliminating violent piston bounce, one important component must stay constant and that is how the pellet is placed in the barrel.
Probe seated pellets generally eliminate this variable.
Assuming compression, lubrication, piston weight,  spring power and air flow is fine, it is pellet fit in the breech that determines the behaviour of the airgun on discharge. Sometimes changing  pellet weight and/or dimensions is enough to undo all the careful measurements to eliminate piston bounce.
Try simply pushing a pellet further in or further out by just a millimetre in the breech and watch your impact point shift.
This is more noticeable in springers whose air blast is more incremental compared to PCP's and as such preserve the pellet skirts better.
Since optimum compression is achieved by the pellet fit in the breech and is not mechanically controlled as in an internal combustion engine, removing as many variables as possible is the key to consistency and an accurate airgun.  :)


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: RB on May 29, 2008, 10:23:25 AM
This is more noticeable in springers whose air blast is more incremental compared to PCP's and as such preserve the pellet skirts better.

Not sure if I misunderstood you, but a springer is far harder on pellets than a PCP, and occasionally prone to blowing out the skirts when reaching the practical limits of power. The peak pressure attained behind a pellet in a springer is considerably higher than that attained in a PCP. I think I read somewhere that it is in the order of around 1,600 psi. However, it is a short lived peak which is why a springer is fine with a short barrel. The push from a PCP is lower pressure, more gradual, and utilises a greater volume of air, which is why a PCP is best with a long barrel, even to ridiculous extents.

Sure, I do know that a PCP is generally charged to 200 bar which is a lot higher than 1,600 psi, but it is the pressure that is actually developed behind the pellet that counts, and due to the fact that the airflow is (relatively of course) rather slow/restricted from the exhaust valve to the breech, plus of course the actual compressed volume of air released has expanded, peak pressure never gets anywhere near 200 bar or even half that.

Reasons of flow and consequently peak pressure behind the pellet is why PCP's filled with helium produce ridiculously high power levels from the same cylinder fill pressure.

RB


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 29, 2008, 20:32:44 PM
Tuner -  Dear RB, I have to admit I am very pleasantly surprised that the works of the'Cardews' is read and appreciated in Malta.   My compliments!.
However, there are instances when the piston 'crashes' into the cylinder end, of course, with the pellet in the barrel!   Only a fool would dream of shooting a springer without a pellet!!!!! -
You are quoting from Cardew's book, Airgun - From Trigger to Muzzel' - page 26.   This is true, but here, Cardew was speaking of a perefectly tuned airgun of low to medium power, where , for experimentation sake, he could have used a rather heavy pellet for a springer, because, as correctly stated , the weight of the pellet and fit in barrel, has great influence on piston bounce!!
But Gerald Cardew, a dear friend, has also written many 'Papers' on specific subjects, and this subject is treated in the 'four phases' of operation of an airgun at the moment of firing, namely;   a)  The Popgun phase   -  very low power,   b)   The 'Combustion Phase'  -  where only a small portion of lubricant is burned adding to the power of the shot (the ideal arrangement),   c)   The 'Detonation Phase   -   where too much lubricant explodes, giving an extraordinary power to the shot and harming the airgun significabtly,    d)   Finally we return to another Popgun Phase, where only powder lubricants or lubricants with an extreemly high flashpoint are used and the gun just uses its air power.
Cardew, in page 26 of his book, was not referring to a gun of small swept volume, where an VERY strong spring is fitted and a light pellet used!   This arrangement would start pushing out the pellet up the barrel, even before peak compression has been generated, and will bundle out, (as Cardew puts it) the pellet, the grease and all out of the barrel in nearly Popgun Phase performance!!!!!   I have tried this many times and proved it myself!
I had not intended to enter into this subject at this level, because I meant my writings as passtime for beginners, but, you 'shot down' my subject 'Piston Bounce' too harshly not to merit a reply!
Good shooting friend.   Danny Gatt


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 29, 2008, 20:38:44 PM
Tuner -  I excuse myself for the wrong spelling of 'Muzzle', but I admit I got carried away by the subject!!! :'(  -   Danny Gatt


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 29, 2008, 20:40:43 PM
Tuner  -  For the many spelling mistakes!!!!!!!!!!    Im really gonbe now! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[    Dannny Gatt


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: dvd on May 30, 2008, 07:42:29 AM
Hi RB,
you are perfectly right,
I meant to say that the pressure release into the barrel in a PCP is more incremental than in a springer. OOPS!!
Your example of shorter springer barrels achieving comparable velocities to longer PCP barrels is spot on.
My mistake and good of you to point it out.

The typical pressure for dieseling to start is around 500 to 700 psi and depends on the volatility and quantity of the lubricant used.The rate of compression leads to a temperature rise enough to ignite any oils present. This raises the pressure drastically and pellet inertia and friction usually results in skirt deformation.
Once combustion starts, it can be quite disastrous and wasteful if not kept within certain limits.
Balancing  these and other factors so that they contribute to velocity and accuracy is what tuning is all about.

In a PCP it is the reverse of what happens in a springer, ie, the already compressed air which is at ambient temperature is released and this results in a drop in pressure and temperature, thereby eliminating any possibility of dieseling in a PCP.
 I'll try to keep my contributions on the subject as plain as possible for the benefit of everyone, as you rightly pointed out Tuner,
In my opinion it is wise to appreciate airguns for what they are and strive for accuracy before power.

Perhaps Tuner, you can share your knowledge about diablo pellet design and why they are shaped contrary to perceived ballistic wisdom and therefore doomed to sub sonic performance only.

 Best regards to all.


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: RB on May 30, 2008, 10:08:56 AM
Tuner, reading your post, I have no idea which part of mine you do not agree with??

RB


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 30, 2008, 20:41:22 PM
Tuner - Sorry DVD, but I cannot even start to explain the use of the diabolo shape pellet, because you already state dogmatically that this pellet, because of its design, is doomed to sub sonic levels!!!!!   Certainly not, ultrasonic levels are reached in many guns (Springers or PCP) with rediculous ease!!!
You have already reached your own conclusions, so it will be useless for me to persist! -
Happy Shooting and may I dare say (tuning?)   -   Danny Gatt


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 30, 2008, 20:45:47 PM
Tuner  -  Dear RB, I do not agree at all with the content in the first sentence of your first paragraph where you state that a piston cannot crash into the end of the cylinder if there is a pellet in the barrel!   As I explained, it certainly can given certain (common) circunstances!!!!   - Danny Gatt


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: RB on May 31, 2008, 08:23:09 AM
I think that DVD means to say that the design is far from suitable for supersonic (not ultrasonic, I think you have been doing too much cleaning  ;D  ;D) velocities.

Not that it is not possible for a diabolo to REACH supersonic velocities.

While I have in the past experienced supersonic velocities from a springer, and "impossible" is certainly not a word I am happy to use, I do not consider it "easy" to go SS with a PCP under normal circumstances, which does mean using air as a fill gas.

Again as far as piston crash goes I would wish for an explanation as to under which "normal" circumstances a properly functioning air rifle would do this. I had specifically excluded guns with poor or no breech or piston seals, etc, so this is not what it is about. I would also like to know how you did actually determine that the vibration you felt in certain guns was a result of piston crash and not anything else.

We learn something new every day and I have no problem with standing corrected.

RB


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: dvd on May 31, 2008, 08:54:42 AM
Hi Tuner, RB,
yes,  not saying that it can not be pushed beyond supersonic speeds, but perhaps pushing a diablo shape beyond 1200fps is asking too much of its shuttlcock shape and accuracy suffers. What's the use of power without accuracy?

The reason I say this is because the pellet has to go through not one but two unstable phases of crossing the sonic barrier, first when it is still accelerating and second, when the air resistance slows it down again to the critical speed. If the target happens to fall beyond these two distances, accuracy is bound to be poor.
In an ideal situation, if supersonic speed is exceeded, it should be maintained at least until the target is reached.

I have experimented a fair bit and so far I think that about 850fps for a normal 22 diablo pellet is optimum between accuracy and power.On the other hand 580fps for an unaerodynamic flathead 177 pellet, delivers amazing accuracy but obviously little power. I think that the higher the speed goes, the less stable diablos become. Weight, its distribution, rear drag and a hollow tail complicate things no end as velocity rises.
 
It is true what you say that I have my own ideas on this subject but surely different perspectives are always healthy for a better understanding and will perhaps open up new thoughts on this subject. I know a fair bit but I still discover new things when I discuss such things with like minded folk.
There are so many variables in this game that one small change upsets the whole lot. I am interested in determining those constants that make airgun accuracy such an elusive creature and analysing the projectile shape and performance is only one part of the equation.
 
Happy shooting chaps :)


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: RB on May 31, 2008, 09:00:51 AM
DVD, stability or whatever will not be an issue in phase one - the pellet will still be in the barrel  ;D - unless your pellets are rocket boosted of course  ;D   ;D

RB


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on May 31, 2008, 09:14:20 AM
Tuner  -   Dear RB, I will go again into the subject of 'piston bounce' in great detail at a later date.   Indeed this is a very delicate matter!!
I am new to this or any other Forum, and I may sound as 'a know all' at times.    This is surely not the case and not my intention!!!
I only wish to point out one thing at this stage, it is hard for me to 'converse' with people I do not know or might have never ever met!  
In my time, there were no other workshops I know of that were dedicated to W O R K on airgun tuning!   When one reads and studies, he will have the foundation stones of the science he is about to practice, but it is only when one rolls up his sleeves and starts stripping, cleaning and re-building airguns that the problems arise!!!!
We Maltese, as a Nation, tend to study and read the works of others, but very seldom, do we have the courage to experiment and try to improve upon what the other 'SuperGods did' - in short we do not practice R and D - we take it for granted that what the 'factory boffins' say and do is BIBLE stuff!  -  B...   S... !!!!!   I myself have found out and corrected many design flaws, and have Factory approval for this!
RB, there is one thing I wish to know, before we continue to dicuss this 'tedious' subject any longer.   Are you an engineer and and Airgun Tuner or an interested shooter?   This will guide me in the tone and level at which i will address this subject in future.
Happy Shooting    (and Tuning!)   -   Danny Gatt


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: RB on May 31, 2008, 09:20:51 AM
Call me a "dilettant", which will fit quite perfectly. If you want some more background, look to the GSG-5 thread - http://www.maltashootingsports.com/shootingtalk/index.php?topic=361.0

I also have to agree 101% with what you say about factory ideas and stuff, again the GSG-5 thread will put you firmly in the picture.

Look forward to several interesting discussions!

RB


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: dvd on May 31, 2008, 09:35:59 AM
DVD, stability or whatever will not be an issue in phase one - the pellet will still be in the barrel  ;D - unless your pellets are rocket boosted of course  ;D   ;D

RB

Hmm... thats an interesting train of thought, perhaps even rocket stabilisation en route to the target ;D ;D

I suppose you are right there RB, pellets do not increase in velocity after they exit the barrel and if they are already supersonic upon exit, then they can only cross that barrier one more time when slowing down.
 :)


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Gurkha on May 31, 2008, 14:22:40 PM
Call me a "dilettant", which will fit quite perfectly. If you want some more background, look to the GSG-5 thread - http://www.maltashootingsports.com/shootingtalk/index.php?topic=361.0

RB


Keep it up old chap ;)


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: RB on May 31, 2008, 15:04:48 PM
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Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Gurkha on May 31, 2008, 15:22:41 PM
 Can we still be friends? ;)


 


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: RB on May 31, 2008, 15:49:25 PM
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Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: merill on May 31, 2008, 20:03:58 PM
I am new here and eager to hear and learn.   
How about some basic practical information about the mod art.


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: dvd on June 01, 2008, 08:23:31 AM
I am new here and eager to hear and learn.   
How about some basic practical information about the mod art.


Hi Merill,
there is a lot to learn in airgun tuning. This is not a "how to tune airguns "post but rather a few words of what it entails.
To set the record straight right away, I do not consider myself a professional in this matter and you would do well to hear what others have to say in this regard as well. These are just my experiences to give you an idea what its like.

Tuning depends on your mechanical aptitude, available tools and the ability to alter things in small doses so that you can see if the modification has been beneficial or not. A chronograph is an essential item in my opinion. It is a slow learning process and better done on some cheap airgun rather than your prized gun at first.

To the average airgun user, the most popular reason for airgun "tuning" is to make it more powerful, but there is more to it than that. It must be combined with other things such as removing excessive friction, vibrations and recoil to enable the shooter to hit the target and make for a pleasant shooting experience. Power is useless without accuracy.

 Do not start with pneumatics because they can be more complicated to a beginner. Do not rush into it and be careful of tuning certain components and observe all safety precautions. 
Instructions on DIY tuning abound on the internet and some must be taken with a pinch of salt, so use your head and get a second opinion till you gain experience and feel confident enough.
There are many technical variables that make this such a challenging hobby and it is rather addictive chasing after perfection!!
Be safe and happy shooting! :)






Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on June 01, 2008, 09:00:11 AM
Tuner   -   I started to write in this Forum just because, without even being a participant I was beaing 'rediculed' publicly by people I do not even know!   After trying to clear my name, I was going to start, little by little, to introduce beginners and interested readers, to the mysteries and facination of Tuning!
I see that my writings are not welcome here as I am constantly being contradicted by my 'peers', so whats the point?
Happy Shooting boys, and good tuning!   - Danny Gatt  -  dannygat@maltanet.net    - end of participation.


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Gurkha on June 01, 2008, 11:41:03 AM
Club politics disallowed.

Admin


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: RB on June 01, 2008, 12:32:28 PM
Gurkha - Lets put it this way - You edited your post as I was replying to your (unedited and let us say less than complimentary) original version.

It seems that we crossed lines.

I have no problem with ending this silly bickering but as most people would I suppose I did not take your initial and unprovoked personal attack at all well, which I hope you do accept describes it correctly.

I will immediately edit all of mine and hope you do likewise.

Danny - Even though in no way are you implying such, for the sake of it let me state that I have nothing to do with you or your reputation being "ridiculed". We have never even met and I barely knew you existed. So that matter for one I hope is cleared up.

I do not see how you arrive at the conclusion that your writings are not welcome here.

You speak of being contradicted - you must of course be referring to me. To the best of my knowledge my last post and last sentences were that I agreed with you perfectly about a particular issue and I also looked forward to interesting discussions with you in general, although of course in previous posts I did question some statements of yours.

Incidentally, what I said I agreed with you about in my LAST post was in essence that one should never just simply accept what others (you refer to these others as "Super Gods") say or offer as being sacrosanct, correct, or perfect - in short, always question, or shall we say "contradict"?

Here is what you wrote and what I agreed with:

"...tend to study and read the works of others, but very seldom, do we have the courage to experiment and try to improve upon what the other 'SuperGods did' - in short we do not practice R and D - we take it for granted that what the 'factory boffins' say and do is BIBLE stuff!  -  B...   S... !!!!!"

So, I assume you do not have a problem with being contradicted on occasion  ;D  ;D  ;D

RB


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: RB on June 02, 2008, 10:40:33 AM
I am new here and eager to hear and learn.   
How about some basic practical information about the mod art.


I second what DVD said in full, there is little to add. What air rifle or pistol/s do you own and what benefits would you hope to derive, maybe we can make recommendations? Improvements and "tuning" are a vast subject about which several books have been written, and thus it would be quite impossible to "say it all" as it were.

RB


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: airforceone on June 03, 2008, 10:46:16 AM
hello RB your posts are always very interesting i learnt a lot from you and allahares you had to agree with everyone and what everyone says i dont see why some people can not take part to discuss things do they expect that everything that they say can not be corrected................................. u mela mhux hekk. come on danny dont be a primadonna stop sulking  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D and get writing.


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Gurkha on June 03, 2008, 11:27:54 AM
What happened to Black Eagle`s post of this morning? RB do you know anything?


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Coemgen on June 03, 2008, 11:53:18 AM
What happened to Black Eagle`s post of this morning? RB do you know anything?


http://www.maltashootingsports.com/shootingtalk/index.php?topic=445.msg4141#new


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: BLACK EAGLE on June 06, 2008, 17:53:01 PM
What happend to my post  RB ?


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: RB on June 06, 2008, 18:39:45 PM
What happend to my post  RB ?

I think the answer is just above your post.

RB


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: BLACK EAGLE on June 06, 2008, 18:54:36 PM
I d'not think  that I posted anything wrong about Danny.!!!!

Persuni  bhal Danny kien hemm bzonnhom f'dan il-forum .

Even on clay pigion and shotgun topics Danny was ingenious.

            


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Coemgen on June 06, 2008, 18:57:08 PM
I d'not think  that I posted anything wrong about Danny.!!!!

Persuni  bhal Danny kien hemm bzonnhom f'dan il-forum .

Even on clay pigion and shotgun topics Danny was ingenious.

             

Black Eagle, if you just follow the link below you'll see what happened to your post!

http://www.maltashootingsports.com/shootingtalk/index.php?topic=445.msg4141#new


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: BLACK EAGLE on June 06, 2008, 19:06:17 PM
Kumbinazzjoni il post tieghi sparixxiet . 

Sorry,  ma kontx indunajt ghax ghal komputer jien tuba !!!!


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: MSS Forum Admin on June 06, 2008, 19:07:36 PM
None of your posts were deliberately deleted BLACK EAGLE maybe the link above is not perfectly clear, unfortunately if you or anyone else posted anything while we were working on the forum fix then the backup would have overwritten the posts also. Sorry about that but unfortunately these things happen. Will amend the advisory post so that all is clearer.

Admin


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: BLACK EAGLE on June 06, 2008, 19:14:58 PM
Sorry what i've posted  MSS Forum Admin  OK .


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on July 31, 2009, 18:07:32 PM
AIR RIFLE AND AIR PISTOL TUNING

As for many reasons I have stopped my contributions in this Forum, even though I liked to write very much!    I had a great wish to share the little I know, gathered through years of experience in the field with fellow air gunners!!

In future, anyone interested to write to me privately on my email, which is, dannygat@maltanet.net with any problem regarding air gun tuning, I would gladly reply to the best of my knowledge!!!


Happy shooting friends.

Danny Gatt

Tuner



Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on March 15, 2010, 20:37:07 PM
Hi folks, its been so long since I wrote a few lines in this Forum.   Lately, I seem to be lost between shotguns and revolvers!!!!!Mostly revolvers, to make up for the lost 3 years in the Bidnija wilderness!!!    Ah, and being Maltese, I am a megalomaniac and am opting for the largest hand cannons available!!!! As if I'm Clint Eastwood (minus several inches!).

But, to speak my heart, the honest truth, the air rifle always calls me back!   The Bench.... The silence...   The surgical accuracy...... Sheer peace and beauty!!! Yes I'm an airgunner..always was, and guess, always will be till the end of my days!

Nowadays, I spend most of my time, alone, mostly frustrated, at a Range nearby.   No competition, no rivals, no one to argue with.....this silence is killing me!   Any suggestions please?

Tuner




Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Lawrence Darmanin on March 15, 2010, 22:45:56 PM
Hi Tuner,

I'm very glad you have decided to come back to the forum. We are all sure that your encyclopaedic knowledge on shooting will be of great benefit to all. I have been 16 years in the Bidnija wilderness but finally the perseverence is paying dividends. We have finally got 3 prestigious international medals in air-rifle and air-pistol and gave a good showing at the Malta Grand Prix against Welsh airgun champions (who have everything that their hearts desire whilst we have to make do with coaching each other and no funds at all....!)

You will not be a lone shooter if you care to give us a visit to our revamped shooting club cum indoor 10m range. Our newly established women's air-pistol shooting team has made giant strides the past couple of months. We even had a 16 year air-rifle shooter who was chosen by the International Olympic Committee to represent Malta in the Youth Olympic Games this year but unfortunately had to opt out due to school/exam committments. We will soon be having coaching clinics for club members on pistol shooting by the Welsh National Coach and at next Saturday's Shooting competition we shall have guest international shooting referee Mr Goodfellow who has just arrived from the India Commonwealths and has been chosen to referee the target shooting events of the oncoming London Olympics.

We have lost a lot of precious time due to the warped mentality of some people and the arms ban but now there is a lot of catching up to do, but first and foremost we need to build up a decent shooting sport culture in our budding shooters which in my opinion is sorely missing. You can help us do it.

Good Luck and look forward to seeing your contributions on this excellent forum.

Lawrence 


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Luger on March 16, 2010, 07:01:49 AM
Hi folks, its been so long since I wrote a few lines in this Forum.   Lately, I seem to be lost between shotguns and revolvers!!!!!Mostly revolvers, to make up for the lost 3 years in the Bidnija wilderness!!!    Ah, and being Maltese, I am a megalomaniac and am opting for the largest hand cannons available!!!! As if I'm Clint Eastwood (minus several inches!).

But, to speak my heart, the honest truth, the air rifle always calls me back!   The Bench.... The silence...   The surgical accuracy...... Sheer peace and beauty!!! Yes I'm an airgunner..always was, and guess, always will be till the end of my days!

Nowadays, I spend most of my time, alone, mostly frustrated, at a Range nearby.   No competition, no rivals, no one to argue with.....this silence is killing me!   Any suggestions please?

Tuner






Hi Tuner,

Long time no see.................it would be nice to see back at the Handaq Range for some Bench Rest shooting. Not that I shoot much on the bench except when I take my S200 with me and exilerate myself making those cigarette butt sized groupings at 30m everytime with that little devil. You know what I'm talking about  ;D

We open almost every Saturday afternoons and every Sunday morning till about 2:00 in the afternoon when I'm there so you are always most welcome for a shoot. We will be having our Bench Rest Nationals and World Postals very soon and it would be great if you were to come and participate. You are an excellent shot with your S200  ;D

As for the arguing bit............yes we did enjoy that bit of an argue didn't we  ;D

Hope to see you back mate................


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: BLACK EAGLE on March 16, 2010, 19:17:05 PM
Hi folks, its been so long since I wrote a few lines in this Forum.   Lately, I seem to be lost between shotguns and revolvers!!!!!Mostly revolvers, to make up for the lost 3 years in the Bidnija wilderness!!!    Ah, and being Maltese, I am a megalomaniac and am opting for the largest hand cannons available!!!! As if I'm Clint Eastwood (minus several inches!).

But, to speak my heart, the honest truth, the air rifle always calls me back!   The Bench.... The silence...   The surgical accuracy...... Sheer peace and beauty!!! Yes I'm an airgunner..always was, and guess, always will be till the end of my days!

Nowadays, I spend most of my time, alone, mostly frustrated, at a Range nearby.   No competition, no rivals, no one to argue with.....this silence is killing me!   Any suggestions please?

Tuner



Welcome  Back  On  The  Forum  Tuner.  An expirienced airgunner + shotgunner like   YOU,  is needed on this Forum.   :D


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on March 18, 2010, 08:24:24 AM
Dear Lawrence,
I thank you for your kind words, and surely I will visit you, even to watch the action.  I am an 'outdoor' air rifle shooter, dedicated to Flied Target,( a discipline I cannot participate in due to my physical realities and by a ugly road accident), and to my beloved Bench Rest shooting!!!!

In the past, I have tried ISSF Pistol shooting, but found out, that this does not turn me on at all.

The Bidnija 'wilderness' I referrred to earlier, still exists!!!!!!    We had hoped that a small piece of ground would have been found long ago where an Air Rifle  Bench Rest range of 25 mtr could have been set.   Promises were made, but this small 'strip' of land never materialised!!!!- and maybe, , never will.

Sadly, the 'culture' of a member, who just wants to pass an afternoon'informal shooting' has long ago disappeared from the Bidnija Ranges.  You are either 'Hell bound' for International Competition' or there is no room  for you, apart from having a friendly cup of tea!!!  Moreover, and I might be wrong in this, a member there STILL could not be certified to obtain the TSLA, or even the TSLB for Air Rifles and even, wonder of wonders, shotguns!!!-   Again I say that I stand to be corrected,and I would be extreemly happy if the situation has changed, but this was the situation the last time I was there!!!  Such a pity, that a Club of this standing, where a member used to be so proud of his acceptance there, had to be reduced to such a pitiful state!!!!!!
 
Having said all this, let us be clear on one issue.   I appreciate the hard work and dedication of the top shooters, and am proud of the glory they bring to our sport in general!!!!   People outside the 'our sport' do not know and care, which club a shooter belongs to, but, the news of victory, gives us shooters such comfort in a World where shooting seems so Socially incorrect!!!!!

Keep it up.

Tuner



Title: TSLA, TSLB, TSLB Tactical, TSLB Airgun
Post by: Tuner on March 20, 2010, 08:20:15 AM
Dear Lawrence,

As a fellow airgunner, I find it very easy to interact with you on shooting matters.   In the absence of a reply, I humbly ask of you again, if the situation regarding the obtaining of the required ' Certification of Competence' for applying to the Police for the above mentioned Licenses, has changed at all at the Bidnija Club ( MSSF).

I ask this, because I'm one of those who had to join another Club to obtain this Certification, after nearly 3 years waiting in vain for some sort of 'miracle' to happen!!!!!

As, lately I rarely frequent the Range, I would appreciate if I were brought up to date regarding this matter of supreme importance to the image and credibility of this long established  Organisation.


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Lawrence Darmanin on March 21, 2010, 22:15:33 PM
Hi Tuner,

Sorry late reply but was away from home this long weekend and no access to internet. I love the way you speak about shooting and it really shows that it comes from the heart. You are very right that at Bidnija most of the shooting is aimed for selections to participate in foreign competitions. In this way shooting training has become like work, with the difference that you pay to work! However this also has its own fascination because if we lose that love for our sport - we might as well pack up and go home. This sport still makes our lives so enriching even though it is still a boring repetitive sport, however competition keeps us looking forward to achieve that success that we always dream about even if it is a personal best score!

I agree with you that a place should be found for the other shooting disciplines and also for the occasional shooter who wishes to practice some shooting for the fun of it. In my opinion, the thought of the national ranges looming on the horizon and the low funds available to our federation are two factors for shelving such projects. When we recently tried to come up with a similar project, this had to be aborted in its foetal stage as the authorities threw every stupid excuse in the book to stop us. It will still be an uphill struggle in the years to come to be somewhere near our European counterparts when it comes to shooting sports.

 Another aspect that I'm concerned about is the un-united front by practically all the shooting clubs that exist in the Maltese islands. We must have a common agenda and put our united full force behind it if we want our sport and ranges to reach its highest level. We have tried our best with all the limitations that we have, to bring honour to our country through our sport. It may have helped to get us nearer to our aims but if we all pull the rope from the same side, we may get there earlier!

Finally, as far as I know, regarding the issue of licences, the situation is still the same and the delays can only be attributed to the famous 'leg-dragging' of the authorities.


Title: Re: Airgun tuning- Certification of Profeciency for TSLA, TSLB.
Post by: Tuner on March 22, 2010, 08:12:26 AM
Dear Lawrence,

I thank you for your reply.    It is gentle, simple, and genuine, and comes from the hands of a shooter who knows too well what I say and what I mean.   I wish men and women like you all the luck in the world that would compensate for your hard efforts that usually are aggravated by the financial burdens that have to be borne by the competing individual, and is hardly ever appreciated, since airgunning in all its aspects is locally considered to be the Cindirella of shooting sports.

Maybe, the part about the Certification of Proficiency for TSLA and TSLB (even to obtain a Shotgun License, should have been answered by the PRO, who is in a better position to furnish the details of the rediculous situation!!!!!

Good luck in your efforts, and Im happy that people like you serve as an inspiration to others shooters.   Keep it up.
javascript:void(0);

Danny Gatt  :'(


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: fatjack on March 23, 2010, 07:07:17 AM
Hi tuner

i couldnt agree with you more. As a relative newcomer to this sport , i find that the BIG problem is that having places available where one can shoot just for fun and enjoyment other than clays are till today almost non existent - one outdoor range (to the best of my knowledge) where you can practise airgun shooting outdoors at your convenience. and as you say forget the bidnija indoor range - totally wrong atmosphere.

Shoot rifles? you have to go to sicily. shoot certain calibre handguns? you have to go to sicily. shoot tactical? you have to wait for the clubs to organise a shoot and wait your turn (not criticising the clubs here - they are doing the best they can) - or .....go to sicily.

I also agree with lawrence darmanin in that the way forward is a united front with all these clubs using their influence positively instead of apparently trying to make things difficult for each other . the irony is that many shooters who care only to shoot finish up becoming members of more than one club simply to have more opportunities. if all the club comittees should listen hard to their ordinary rank and file members they might realise that the real wish of all these people is ' let us have places to practise our sports - the past does not really interest us '. by which i certainly do not mean that we should not be grateful to those persons who have worked SO VERY HARD to get us to the situation where we can actually grumble about not having places to shoot.

maybe the MSSF as "'the sole governing body for shooting sport in Malta" should take on itself the role of peacemaker and work to get all clubs to put aside any old beefs -  agree on a common way forward and lobby for the sport, which at the end of the day will be beneficial to all -  and especially to the ordinary members of all clubs to whom after all, the club comittee's have a duty. This accomplishment would certainly be an achievement for an organisation which is "undoubtly the first sports organisation in Malta with its origins dating back to 1908"

there are many excuses for not taking a step - but few real reasons.





Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Lawrence Darmanin on March 23, 2010, 10:44:37 AM
Hi Fatjack and welcome to the sport shooting fraternity. I thank you for your comments and you practically expressed the thoughts of all shooters on this islands at present. The situation is quite depressing as when you give a child a toy and you don't let them play with it. The non-existence of shooting ranges is also frustrating the high number of sport shooters here especially in the light that several thousands of sport guns were sold to bona fide maltese citizens (who are now also EU citizens)  which now cannot be used for target shooting due to no ranges being available.

The MSSF and Clay Pigeon Shooting has more than a 100 years tradition and this shooting discipline is deeply ingrained in our population even because of the associated hunting tradition in Malta. Target shooting is relatively new to this country and the change in the arms laws and the achievement of foreign honours in 10m Airgun shooting was not an easy matter in such a relatively short period of time. Some of the shooters have been working very hard behind the scenes even by sacrificing their training time and shooting talent, to promote and popularize this sport. It is only in this way that our politicians can say that shooting sport has now also become their priority as well and not for only a handfull of shooting enthusiasts.

I do not agree with you that the atmosphere at the Bidnija indoor range is "totally wrong". 10m Air-Rifle & Air-Pistol shooting is one of the few recognised target shooting sport by the International Olympic Committee and has been present in the Olympic Games since Los Angeles 1984. By this,I in no way want to denigrade any other type of target shooting and am sure that other shooting disciplines are adequately represented internationally.

We cannot keep on grumbling for ever and do nothing about this problem of delays, but as I said previously we must unite to lobby hard for our deserved national ranges because only in this way can our sport achieve the success that it so merits. It would not be a bad idea to organize a national conference on sport shooting and the problems it has been facing all these years. I am sure that the publicity coming out of this will help to move the authorities faster on the national ranges issue.

To close I will quote John. F. Kennedy's famous saying: "It's not what the country (shooting club) can do for you but what you can do for your country (shooting club)"

Lawrence


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: fatjack on March 23, 2010, 11:05:00 AM
Hi lawrence

if I may clarify what i meant about  'totally wrong' . what i mean is that when you are a beginner who simply wants to enjoy shooting as a hobby and has no aspirations of competition level shooting , then you feel a bit out of place at Bidnija - possibly viewed as  a bit of a time waster by the more 'professional' shooters. i meant no offence in terms of the facilities - far from it.
i agree entirely with your closing comments - let us hope that we are all allowed to contribute

thanks
robert


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Lawrence Darmanin on March 23, 2010, 13:11:36 PM
Hi lawrence

if I may clarify what i meant about  'totally wrong' . what i mean is that when you are a beginner who simply wants to enjoy shooting as a hobby and has no aspirations of competition level shooting , then you feel a bit out of place at Bidnija - possibly viewed as  a bit of a time waster by the more 'professional' shooters. i meant no offence in terms of the facilities - far from it.
i agree entirely with your closing comments - let us hope that we are all allowed to contribute

thanks
robert

Sorry Fatjack, I still fail to agree with you. Although we do have shooters training regularly and seriously to represent our country in 10m competitions, we do have our doors open to everybody. All the time beginners and hobby shooters including tourists are coming to our range for a couple of hours of fun shooting. It has always been our policy to encourage beginners first and foremost to have fun safely at the range. We even organize on a regular basis shooting competitions for beginners and young shooters with normal, low power spring rifles. Then it is up to the individual if he or she wants to take up shooting as a sport or not. The beauty of our sport is that you can take it as seriously as one wants. You can be a plinker, a fun shooter or a world class shooter finally depends on your motivation to the sport. No age, sex, class or disability, as on the shooting range everybody is equal and at the end of the day we are there to enjoy ourselves. Competitions keep the sport alive and it is no dishonour even if you come last - we have all been through it. The most important thing is that you learn from your mistakes and this would definitely help you to improve in your next one. Shooting with others makes our sport interesting as you always learn new things from them and when the time comes you will be passing on this knowledge to others.

Have fun shooting and if you wish to come over to our club for a chat (and a shoot) you are most than welcome.

Lawrence


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: fatjack on March 24, 2010, 06:21:44 AM
Morning Lawrence

I'll take you up on that one of these days - this is one time i would love to be proved wrong  :) :) :) :)
do you open during the week??

bi for now
fatjack


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Lawrence Darmanin on March 24, 2010, 14:28:46 PM
Hi Fatjack,

My invitation still holds for you as well as for any other person who may wish to try airgun shooting. You can bring your own gun provided that it's 0.177 calibre and less than 12 ft/lbs or else you can use our club guns. We are normally open every Wednesday from 5.00pm onwards and Saturdays from 3.00pm onwards. However every alternate Saturday we usually have club competitions and although everybody is welcome to watch them, no other shooting or training is allowed so as not to disturb the competitors.

This week we shall be having the Welsh National Pistol Coach coaching our pistol shooters from 5 - 7pm everyday till next Wednesday so our range will be open everyday at those times. Should you wish any additional information please feel free to contact us on e.marpsc@gmail.com Looking forward to meet you soon.

Lawrence


Title: The Age Old Problem!!!!!
Post by: Tuner on April 01, 2010, 06:12:01 AM
Dear Lawrence,
I follow with interest your letters here as they are very interesting - I wish to ask a question which you might answer.  ( I must admit, that I'm being a bit unfair as I'm always asking awkward questions to the wrong person)  Is the Club WE belong to (alias MSSF) a SHOOTING (very comprehensive term) Club, as stated in the Club Statute, or ONLY an  ISSF Shooting Club?   The difference is of paramount importance, as, if the Bidnija Club only caters for ISSF disciplines,( and that is the way it looks) I must say it is very restrictive, shooting itself in the foot member wise, and frankly boring!!!!! 

Tuner


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Lawrence Darmanin on April 01, 2010, 14:54:59 PM
Dear Tuner,

I will reply as best as I can to your question. On paper MSSF is the sole shooting federation in Malta recognized by the International Sport Shooting Federation and the Malta Olympic Committee. The latter is responsible for international games like the Games of the Small States of Europe, Mediterranean Games, Mediterranean Friendship Games, Commonwealth Games and the Olympic Games among others. In these Games the main type of shooting is done according to ISSF recognized disciplines except for the Commonwealth Games which, apart from the normal disciplines, also include Fullbore Rifle and "Big" Calibre Pistols (if not mistaken).

Obviously the MSSF, since it has its origins from a shotgun shooting club, gives priority to the shotgun disciplines which are normally organized shooting events in ISSF competitions namely Trap, Double Trap and Skeet. However in recent years, the MSSF has also introduced what is called as "id-Dritta" which is a favourite clay pigeon shooting event with hunters as it simulates the flight of game birds. Moreover the MSSF also occasionally organizes Charity shoots and even many non members usually participate in such shoots. Also as far as I know everybody is welcome to try his hand in trap and skeet shooting in one of the Island's most beautiful ranges. Last year we had the famous Grand Prix in November against Welsh Shooters and to the best of my knowledge, participation (after the selections) was open to all. The same was done with the airgun events and we had shooters coming from other shooting clubs forming part of the Malta teams.

It seems times have changed and with it the mentalities as well. I am sure that the MSSF will accomodate any shooting discipline even though it is not an ISSF one. The number of clubs with a diversity of shooting disciplines that are members of the MSSF is full proof of this.


Title: Just Shooting.
Post by: Tuner on April 09, 2010, 19:45:37 PM
 Dear Lawrence,

 The best Lawyer on the island could not have put the case better!!!!   End of the road on the subject has been reached and points made clear.   More would prove useless and repetitive.   Time have moved on, but the picture remains the same in many aspects.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for your time Lawrence, and happy shooting.


Tuner


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on February 02, 2012, 19:42:22 PM
Hello friends,
Winter seems to be in full swing, and
windy days are making air rifle shooting harder!!  I have been following a 'hermit stage' phase in my air rifle shooting, and I often spend beautiful calm mornings at the Maghatab Range.   All alone...my air rifle and I!!! We seem to be very good company.
Some time ago, as I had told you all, I turned back to my beloved 'springers', mostly the ones that were introduced in the 77s and the 80s!  Other brands are so well made straight from the box, that they take away the pleasure of having to tune them!!!!
I have them both tuned to FAC specifications with the help of an old established UK tuning Firm that strikes like a Cobra!!!  Poison -  actually, it makes my air rifles shoot faster, smoother, and certainly more accurate as the velocity variation from shot to shot is negligible.
I choose my pellets very carefully, and when I buy, I buy in bulk, as my  supplier knows!!!  They come from a smallish ex Soviet Union Republic !!!!  They changed the level of shooting since they arrived in Malta some years ago.
I compete with myself.  Not that I do not wish, sometimes, for company, but I have plenty of company when I'm doing the 'other' shooting of handguns at Handaq, or rifles abroad.  The air rifle I enjoy in the calm, silent, solitude, interrupted only by the Range owner's shout for coffee!!!!
I wish you all a happy and prosperous New Year

Tuner


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: RB on February 02, 2012, 20:21:36 PM
What are you shooting at the moment Danny?

RB


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: BLACK EAGLE on February 03, 2012, 19:04:02 PM
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I wish you all a happy and prosperous New Year
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Same to YOU  DANNY.



Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on February 03, 2012, 19:20:04 PM
At the moment I'm enjoying a Venom Tune HW77 4.5mm .   When I want some more power, I turn on the Venom Tune FAC HW80 in 5.5mm.

Both are extreemly accurate with the right pellets (JSBs), but of course, the 4.5 HW 77 has the edge on sheer accuracy.

Happy shooting friends

Tuner


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: wettinger on February 03, 2012, 22:29:48 PM
Anyway Tuner I agree what you said that I'm shouting to you for the coffee time, sometimes when you doing 1 hour or 2 hours, in the Airgun Range, a friend like you  at  these hours I am going to leave you  thirsty in this cold weather ;) ;) ;)???   :) :)


Title: Re: Airgun tuning
Post by: Tuner on February 07, 2012, 19:49:58 PM
Thank you Alex!!!!!    Tuner