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Title: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: waynegal on October 13, 2008, 07:49:09 AM
Hi Friends,Can somebody help me about a contact detail of a dealer In zebbug ? I was told that he imports airsoft .He olso have a statonery shop Called Paloma.
Thanks,
Wayne.


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: Dirty Gonny on November 18, 2008, 10:58:07 AM
Hey Way,

I am aware of 2 dealers in Zebbug. One at the begining of the road leading into Zebbug from the back ( With St Dorothy's School on your left). It's called "Trigger Arms" and It's a bout 300 yards up the road and on your left. For the other, you keep going down /up the same road till the end, then ask directions.

Rgds,

DG


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: Pierre Farrugia on November 18, 2008, 11:10:12 AM
Hello,

Cansomeone confirm this please ! I am not aware that Ray gets airsoft !


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: Dirty Gonny on November 18, 2008, 11:21:30 AM
Hi Pierre,

You are correct, Ray doesn't do Airsoft. Try follow the road to the other.

Rgds,

John


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: sasmalta on November 18, 2008, 15:56:18 PM
Hi Friends,Can somebody help me about a contact detail of a dealer In zebbug ? I was told that he imports airsoft .He olso have a statonery shop Called Paloma.
Thanks,
Wayne.

Wayne
Be aware - stationary selling airsoft !!! ???
It will be 100% CRAP airsoft.
The plastic parts will be equivalent to the toys you find in Kinder Sorpresa !!!
More then that, the chances are that the airsoft imports by the stationary are all illegal, cannot be registered and hence are not allowed by clubs.
I suggest FORGET IT .

Push LOCAL dealers to get good airsoft products and buy locally or else if not satisifed get them through one time import license.
The problem is the serial number. If all of those who need good quality airsoft pistols hammer put requests to dealers maybe some one will start to import them. ;)




Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: Pierre Farrugia on November 18, 2008, 16:23:04 PM
Hello all,

Beware what you buy as SAS stated. First cheap airsoft models have small plastic gearboxes that will not last long as opposed to metal gearboxes!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/gasmlt/plasticgearbox.jpg)
Cheap plastic

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/gasmlt/metalgearbox.jpg)
All metal gearbox, with bearings


AN other big issue is licence, in all official clubs non legal airsoft guns are not permitted ! About local deals .........Airsoft is not being considerd so much !

Regards

Pierre


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: Trigger on November 18, 2008, 16:41:01 PM
I confirm that I do not deal in Airsoft but I have plenty of other items that definitely cannot be mistaken for toys  ;D

Ray

Trigger Sporting Arms


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: Pierre Farrugia on November 18, 2008, 16:50:34 PM
Ray,

I wouldn't consider them as toys either ! My baby can get offended  :-[

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/gasmlt/G36cpierre.jpg)

......joking, I know what you mean !

PS. Many dealers don't consider airsoft of which is a pity, it's a shooting sport and as can confirm SAS the demand is there ! Events had to be cancelled due to lack of GBB pistols !

Regards

Pierre



Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: sasmalta on November 18, 2008, 17:12:46 PM
I confirm that I do not deal in Airsoft but I have plenty of other items that definitely cannot be mistaken for toys  ;D

Ray

Trigger Sporting Arms

Hi Ray

Maybe you have to correct your definition for air soft guns.
Airsoft are not fire arms.
Nor they are air guns.
Still airsoft are not "toys"

Good quality airsoft is so dam realistic when compared to the real steel version that some countries just ban it.
Others like Malta decided to license airsoft with all the conditions of a fire arm.
Some countries who for ages permitted airsoft cause they were considered as toys are now changing their mind and are taking the Malta approach (license) or the Dutch approach Ban it.

Airsoft though the least powerful in terms of energy can cause fear factor as much as any other fire arm. If left in a free to all state, irresponsible persons can use them for that fact. This will not be good for all of us who are fire arm enthusiast, airgun enthusiasts and people with a passion for airsoft who want to do things right.

Thus we all must give airsoft some more respect...

RAY  ;)... my little buddy who always served me well both in training and in steel plate competition was a little bit upset... (joking)



Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RF11 on November 18, 2008, 17:52:44 PM
Is that Airsoft Glock yours?? If so is the trigger similar to a real glock?


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: sasmalta on November 18, 2008, 18:25:44 PM
Is that Airsoft Glock yours?? If so is the trigger similar to a real glock?

Yes that is mine.
The functionality is 100 %  identical (Trigger safe) unless pulled directly from center the trigger blocks.

This works on the same principle only striker is designed for airsoft and is found in the lower frame and not top slide.
The triggers is single action type. The first time the pistol must be loaded with a magazine, slide pulled back and released to load 1st BB in the chamber just before the "hop up" in this way you are also cocking the mechanisim of the striker. This is not exactly SA its hybrid. Once the trigger is pulled the striker is released. The striker hits open the main gas valve situated inside the magazine momentarily since the pressure of the gas will push him back aided with gas flowing out of the magazine to propel the BB out of the barrel and some gas that pushes the battery back thus forcing a kick blow back on the slide. The slide goes all the way back until the recoil spring is totally compressed and reset the striker mechanism. The slide then stops and the recoil spring forces the  slide forward pulling the next BB out of the magazine in to the chamber ready for the next shot.

 This thing goes as fast as you pull the trigger. When all BB's in the magazine are used the slide remains open on the last shot. All levers like slide stop and magazine release are fully functional. All Glock accessories fit 100% even holsters and magazine holders. It is as accurate as a CO2 air pistol. The range can go 30m but that is for airsoft skirmish. If used for target practice like steel plate can hit easily 2 inch plate from 8 meters outdoors so its good enough. The reason is due to metal barrel and hop up. This is a great gun to train with "dry fire" does not remain so dry  ;). The weight is also there this weighs in around 850-900g with magazine and the best part is the kick back. Nothing compared to the real fire arm recoil.

I have written various post re airsoft GBB pistols in the past. These are excellent training tools for those who want to start IPSC or IDPA. You can practice safe in your garage without any risks all safety procedures, draws, moves, reloads, sight picture, followup and dry fire with a difference. Then all you will require when doing real IPSC or IDPA is to master your fire arm recoil the others will already become 2nd nature. I do not say this, some professional IPSC & IDPA shooters say this. The best is to go for a replica of your equipment or similar so as to keep the same feel.

Regards...


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RF11 on November 18, 2008, 21:29:07 PM
Thanks for the write up, I have been looking for a way to practice the glock trigger pull without dry fire and when I saw this I knew it could help.

Does it have the 2 stage feel like the Glock?

Do you know if anyone has this model or one similar at a shop, where did you get it?


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RB on November 19, 2008, 08:45:39 AM
Thanks for the write up, I have been looking for a way to practice the glock trigger pull without dry fire and when I saw this I knew it could help.

Does it have the 2 stage feel like the Glock?

Do you know if anyone has this model or one similar at a shop, where did you get it?

Emmm... snap caps may be cheaper??  ;D

RB


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RF11 on November 19, 2008, 10:15:17 AM
I was wondering who be the first to mention them. The problem with dry fire is this:

You must recock the firearm each time, a problem if practicing double taps.

You do not get feedback/ response from the pistol, there is no movement in the slide to show if your grip is correct, you cannot practice effective reloads and stoppage drills.

But here is the biggie: dryfire involves watching the front sight to see that you don't move the pistol with the trigger press, however trigger press isn't the only thing that affects shot placement; grip is another and 'actual' sight alignment. These are all verified with a little plastic bb flying downrange and hitting it's mark.


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RB on November 19, 2008, 10:59:02 AM
The theory is fine, and the "issues" with dry firing are valid. But -

The question of how the gun will react to your grip due to the effects of recoil, understandably will be considerably different when firing a 9mm as opposed to a plastic BB. I'm not convinced that for this purpose an airsoft gun will help.

Also I think that trigger control is a far greater source of operator error than grip - and, trigger control exercises in themself also demand that one's grip is correct, as poor grip will show up in the sight movement upon dry firing. If all is well in that regard, i.e. one's grip and trigger control are perfected as far as possible during dry firing exercises, then I don't know what other benefits may be derived from shooting a "recoiling" gun. My logic states that if the grip is at that stage "perfect" then the only way is down? At that point I would tend to assume that one would be shooting tight groups, and then, to shoot to point of aim, the sights are adjusted.

IMHO as always.

RB


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RF11 on November 19, 2008, 13:51:16 PM
I agree that trigger control is king. However your muscle's and bones have a natural point of aim in relation to the firearm you are holding. Some find a gun has a better natural aim than others, those who have held a Glock then 1911 will know what I mean.

While some say that just keeping the sights aligned is good enough, the action of pressing the trigger may move the entire gun (while sights are still aligned on the bullseye) as opposed to just the front sight, after you fire that first shot the impulse changes the alignment according to your grip strength and weakness, Remember you don't crush the grip with both hands. When dryfiring you don't know if you have the correct grip as there is no report and you don't get to retry as you have to recock (not an issue for revolvers or other DA), This means follow up shots may have been effected by either the recoil or the flexing of the muscles to move the trigger finger.

My reasoning (IMHO  ;) ) is that even though you are squeezing the trigger when dryfiring, you still know there will be no bang. With the airsoft you can perfect your grip and become desensitized to the recoil (while minor) which will carry over to when you are firing the superficial twin. Practicing reloads and stoppage drills and movement while shooting also helps when you can't get to the range and decide to practice at home.


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RB on November 19, 2008, 15:24:31 PM
A test for flinch "...even though you are squeezing the trigger when dryfiring, you still know there will be no bang. " is possible with a semi auto, by loading a magazine "blind" with a couple of snap caps thrown in, so just like Russian Roulette with a revolver you never know whether the next shot will go bang or just click. When it goes click, flinch if present will be evident. Nevertheless unless one is uncomfortable with the gun's recoil, generally mental exercises will ensure that it does not make an appearance.

RB


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: Sti-Edge on November 19, 2008, 16:16:07 PM
   Re flinch -

1) Read somewhere and found it quite good - whilst going through the usual procedure required to shoot, keep repeating to yourself "front sight" and follow through in normal manner. This should somehow "cheat" your brains into NOT anticipating the shot. I found it helpful, albeit having another step to follow!

2) You can easily notice a flinch when you use up the whole mag or for some other reason that is when you have no more rounds to fire and still attempt firing. Notice your hand/s actions! Instinctively, after this sort of flinch, you turn round to see who was observing your mistake  ;D   

3) Agree with RB re snap caps. After obtaining the RCO’s approval, get a friend to load and mix live rounds and snap caps in your magazine, sequence not known to you! This will greatly help in observing your actions and movements.

Sti-Edge


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RF11 on November 19, 2008, 17:00:30 PM
A test for flinch "...even though you are squeezing the trigger when dryfiring, you still know there will be no bang. " is possible with a semi auto, by loading a magazine "blind" with a couple of snap caps thrown in, so just like Russian Roulette with a revolver you never know whether the next shot will go bang or just click. When it goes click, flinch if present will be evident. Nevertheless unless one is uncomfortable with the gun's recoil, generally mental exercises will ensure that it does not make an appearance.

RB

That is the best test for the flinch however it is hard to practice at home due to lack of a shooting range.

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   Re flinch -

1) Read somewhere and found it quite good - whilst going through the usual procedure required to shoot, keep repeating to yourself "front sight" and follow through in normal manner. This should somehow "cheat" your brains into NOT anticipating the shot. I found it helpful, albeit having another step to follow!

2) You can easily notice a flinch when you use up the whole mag or for some other reason that is when you have no more rounds to fire and still attempt firing. Notice your hand/s actions! Instinctively, after this sort of flinch, you turn round to see who was observing your mistake  Grin   

3) Agree with RB re snap caps. After obtaining the RCO’s approval, get a friend to load and mix live rounds and snap caps in your magazine, sequence not known to you! This will greatly help in observing your actions and movements.

Sti-Edge

have you been watching me shoot?  ;)

Any idea where to get one in Malta, Eric?

Also what i mentioned above is not confined to the flinch problems, it has to do with kinesiology also, and the only way to maximise your ideal grip is through trying different grips; some say not to use your thumbs to grip some say to press the side of the gun with them, others advise placing the weak hand finger on the trigger guard others say under. i am just looking for a cheap alternative that allows me too shoot every day and become proficient with the 'unique' trigger of the Glock.

ETA: apologize for not checking spelling before posting, a simple change of letter made this offensive I apologize if anyone was offend.


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: Sti-Edge on November 19, 2008, 17:10:43 PM
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Posted by: Sti-Edge
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   Re flinch -

1) Read somewhere and found it quite good - whilst going through the usual procedure required to shoot, keep repeating to yourself "front sight" and follow through in normal manner. This should somehow "cheat" your brains into NOT anticipating the shot. I found it helpful, albeit having another step to follow!

2) You can easily notice a flinch when you use up the whole mag or for some other reason that is when you have no more rounds to fire and still attempt firing. Notice your hand/s actions! Instinctively, after this sort of flinch, you turn round to see who was observing your mistake  Grin   

3) Agree with RB re snap caps. After obtaining the RCO’s approval, get a friend to load and mix live rounds and snap caps in your magazine, sequence not known to you! This will greatly help in observing your actions and movements.

Sti-Edge

have you been watching me shoot?  ;)

Any idea where to get one in Malta, Eric?
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No, not watching you, flinched myself at Safi and turned round to see who was watching ME  ;D ;D ;D

Sti-Edge


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RF11 on November 19, 2008, 17:36:35 PM
Seems we may have the same problem, bein so attractive that people have to watch, now all we need is for a couple of supermodels to get lost coming out of the airport and da da da da, da daaaa ;D  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RB on November 19, 2008, 17:42:33 PM
Seems we may have the same problem, bein so attractive that people have to watch, now all we need is for a couple of supermodels to get lost coming out of the airport and da da da da, da daaaa ;D  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

RF11, have you been to STI's garden by any chance, and helping yourself to his herbs??  ;D  ;D  ;D

Just kidding to all who are reading this, in case STI gets a visit by the boys in blue!! I have no idea whether he even has a garden  ;D

RB


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RF11 on November 19, 2008, 17:53:54 PM
Hey I don't even know who you guys are  :D

Did you see his pool though.   ;D



Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RB on November 19, 2008, 17:56:58 PM
haha lol and his babes, and bling  :D


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RF11 on November 19, 2008, 17:58:35 PM
I was amazed at the rims on the Porsche, they were spinnin!!! they be SPINNIN!!!!

ETA: have never met STI and this is all in jest, i say this so as not to creep STI out and hide, paranoid looking out of the window.



Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: sasmalta on November 19, 2008, 19:43:39 PM
Thanks for the write up, I have been looking for a way to practice the glock trigger pull without dry fire and when I saw this I knew it could help.

Does it have the 2 stage feel like the Glock?

Do you know if anyone has this model or one similar at a shop, where did you get it?

I think you need to test yourself if you like visit us next sunday at Victoria Shooters Range and try it out.
Re who has them push those  dealers....


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: sasmalta on November 19, 2008, 19:49:38 PM
RF11 try this for dry firing

http://pistol-training.com/drills/wall-drill (http://pistol-training.com/drills/wall-drill)


Title: Re: Airsoft dealer in Zebbug
Post by: RF11 on November 19, 2008, 20:46:41 PM
RF11 try this for dry firing

http://pistol-training.com/drills/wall-drill (http://pistol-training.com/drills/wall-drill)

Thanks i have seen this before I am trying everything to get proficient, I have airpistols, and dryfire but due to the unique trigger of the glock I cannot be sure if it carry's through.