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  Re: Optics - the best present for your eyes and your rifle.
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2008, 10:24:24 AM » by erk063
it looks like you will have to wait and see, till we get a proper rifle range to test your theory and i will be very looking forward to this day. till then its just a matter of opinion and please broaden your horizon. . .  Smiley

just joking! ! 
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  Re: Optics - the best present for your eyes and your rifle.
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2008, 10:35:33 AM » by bergerbullets
what mildot said is correct in that, when you have a Mil reticle like the Mildot, and Increments on the turret in MOA, you have to do a conversion which is not that practical, hence one of the reasons why the Marines moved from the Unertl with Mildot reticle and 1MOA adjustments, to a Mildot/ Mil increment turret.    That means that if you shot hits 2 Mils low and 1.5 mil right,
you can dial in Up 2 Mils and Left 1.5Mils.

If you where using an MOA turret you would need to do the conversion.  In the case of leupolds that would be 2Milsx 3.45=6.9MOA elevation correction and 1.5x3.45=5.1MOA Left windage.

However if you get a NightForce or us optics, you can opt for an MOA reticle and MOA turret where you have to do no conversion what so ever so if you prefer imperial system you can go with nightforce. Metric- european scopes.
Premier reticles also makes reticle changes if you want the reticle to be synchronised with the turret. however with whatever system you decide to go with, make sure you learn how to use it and spend some time playing with the turrets while watching TV atleast you learn which way is up and which way is down.  It makes no sense to get it mounted on a 3000Euro rifle if you still have to learn which way to turn the turret and i have seen it done very recently. I was dumbfounded huh!
one more thing you might like to consider is a scope which has only one turret turn or two turret turn.  In this case Schmidt and Bender and US optics come into their own for they offer this feature.  This will make sure that you don't get lost in Turning the turrets one revolution over or under resulting in a Miss. if you want to do some decent work at long range you will need at least 6Mils per revolution or 25-40MOA per turn which is only available on some scopes and utterly depends on the Caliber you shoot. 
Other optics which did not want to go down the expensive way of constructing a 1 turn or 2 turn scope with many adjustments per revolution went about by making what is known as ZERO stop.  Basically the turret turns how many times the scope will allow but when you turn it down again it will stop turning where you have your initial zero(example 100m).  SO whenever you get confused, you can crank down the turret, it will stop turning on your original zero and then you can start redialing.

Example: If you had just dialed 15MOA/4.3Mils and you need to go to your 600 meter zero which is 20 MOA/5.7Mils, you can either click another 5 MOA up or else if you get confused you can just turn the turret down till it stops turning at the zero stop and dial 20 MOA from there.  A zero stop can also be made in a simple way.  once your turret is on Zero you can measure the distance from underneath the turret to the erector box, remove the turret, then find a piece of rubber and cut it slightly less wide than the measured  distance.  place it around the bottom of the turret and place the turret back on the erector.  lock the turret and now you will notice that if you try turning the turrets further down, the Rubber will stop any further movement down thus having a zero stop:)) hope it helps.


« Last Edit: August 20, 2008, 10:51:05 AM by bergerbullets »
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  Re: Optics - the best present for your eyes and your rifle.
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2008, 10:37:46 AM » by Quantumshot
it looks like you will have to wait and see, till we get a proper rifle range to test your theory and i will be very looking forward to this day. till then its just a matter of opinion and please broaden your horizon. . .  Smiley

just joking! ! 


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