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  Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« on: December 10, 2013, 17:35:42 PM » by Mosin
Length = 20 cm
Top Diameter =11.5 cm
Bottom Diameter = 13.5 cm

Bottom inscriptions: ECC UNSFA IV 1943 LOT 150  N (For Navy I guess)

Material : Looks polished steel.. (Silver color)

There is also the usual arrow stamped on the bottom along with all the other inscriptions

PS: Sorry for the bad quality of the pictures
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2013, 17:49:22 PM » by LongShanks
Dimenstion don't seem right to me . Seems like some length has been cut off , maybe to use the shell for some other purpose ?
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2013, 17:53:11 PM » by Mosin
Hi Longshanks, thanks for your reply.. Re-measured it as I was in doubt, but they are the correct measurements. I have no idea if it was cut or anything.. maybe for a flower vase?! If that's the case, it's a pity..   Grin
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2013, 18:01:31 PM » by LongShanks
Maybe something like this....

https://www.specialistauctions.com/auctiondetails.php?id=1325365

still searching.. ooooo , this is fun.
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2013, 18:14:54 PM » by LongShanks
To be honest I found shells of weird stubby dimensions ... various dimensions, so it just might be untouched.
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2013, 18:25:52 PM » by Mosin
ECC Stands for = PMC    Eldorado Cartridge Corporation (previously Patton and Morgan Corp., and Pan Metal Corp. ) PO Box 62508, Boulder City, NV 89006. The PMC headstamped ammunition for ECC has been made in Korea, the Philippines, Mexico and the Repuclic of South Africa.    


At least according to http://cartridgecollectors.org/?page=headstampcodes

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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2013, 18:43:59 PM » by LongShanks

From similar pics I found , it seems some sort of artillery round , and might not be cut at all cause some have very weird fat shapes. But do not have an idea.
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2013, 18:46:23 PM » by Mosin
.jpg" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:British_4_inch_35_lb_star_shell_1943_diagram .jpg

Holy cow... look int the middle of that...

Also found 4" stamped on the bottom..
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2013, 18:50:14 PM » by Mosin
The QF 4-inch Mk XIX gun[2] was a British low-velocity 4-inch 40-calibre naval gun used to arm small warships such as Bathurst and Castle class corvettes and some River-class frigates in World War II, mainly against submarines.[3]


Description

It succeeded the higher-velocity World War I-era BL 4-inch Mk IX (typically deployed on Flower class corvettes in the escort role), increasing the shell weight from 31 to 35 pounds and its high-angle mounting added some anti-aircraft capability and allowed it to fire starshells to illuminate the battle area at night.

Could it be?!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_4_inch_Mk_XIX_naval_gun
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2013, 18:57:33 PM » by LongShanks
Sure can , 11.5 cm might be the expanded size after firing. confirmation of length would help
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2013, 19:07:28 PM » by LongShanks
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2013, 19:09:22 PM » by Mosin
Length confirmed.. but on the bottom there is 4"... N which stands for Navy..  Mayb e used by QF 4 inch naval gun Mk IV..

There is also a Y stamped on the bottom
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2013, 19:12:08 PM » by Mosin
Nope, the primer seems to be bigger on mine.. Diameter of 3.5 cm and got out my Vernier, the top diameter is 11.8cm to be exact Wink
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2013, 19:36:05 PM » by Mosin
Finally...

The case is a QF (quick Firing type), Separate propellant, 4" IV (Model of gun type).. and it was used in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_4_inch_naval_gun_Mk_IV,_XII,_XXII

QF 4 Inch naval gun MIK IV  in the British Navy. The lot number of this ammunition was 150, and manufactured by "Eldorado Cartridge Corporation" in 1943.

I can now sleep peacefully!  Grin

PS: Thanks longshanks! Smiley
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  Re: Unknown fired shell.. 1943, any help?
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2013, 06:10:39 AM » by LongShanks
Good to know. Learned something about artillery shells as well today.
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